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Poster: JamminJerome Date: Mar 29, 2007 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

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RATDOG & KELLER TOUR 10 Comments

Keller Williams
Bob Weir & RatDog and Keller Williams will cross the country this summer, sharing a stage both separately and together, making music and doing what they do best. The tour will begin in Atlanta on July 7 and end in Los Angeles on July 28.

Bob Weir is a founding member of the legendary Grateful Dead. He founded RatDog as a duo in 1995, and over the succeeding years he has enlisted Jay Lane (drums), Jeff Chimenti (keyboards), Mark Karan (lead guitar), Kenny Brooks (saxophone), and Robin Sylvester (bass). RatDog plays not only Bob's various solo material but the complete G. D. repertoire, and has evolved from an elegant duo to a snarling beast of a rock band that contains a jazz trio at its heart.

Keller Williams has been called guitar's mad-scientist and a one-man-band for the new millennium. Williams is considered by some, but not by himself, to be a master of the acoustic guitar, known for his ability to solo over layers of spontaneously created loops. He is a generous performer who plays down-to-earth acoustic music that defies any effort to find a convenient pigeonhole. If pressed for a definition, Williams, as adept with language as he is with a guitar pick, calls it solo, acoustic jazzfunk reggae technograss – or simply - solo acoustic dance music.

Sometimes musicians tour together purely because of business. These guys actually like each other, as evidenced by the tune "Cadillac" on Keller's recently released new album on SciFidelity, Dream, a duet between Keller and Bob.

Or, as the inimitable Weir said of him, "Keller Williams is more fun than a frog in a glass of milk." Keller seems to like the idea, too: "I love this tour because I get to get in for free."

That positive vibe will be felt across the country this summer.

Current RatDog and Keller Tour Dates:
7/07 | Chastain Park Amphitheatre, Atlanta
7/09 | Summerstage, Central Park, New York City
7/10 | Bank of America Pavilion, Boston
7/11 | Lincoln Park, Lincoln, RI
7/13 | All Good Festival, Marvin's Mountaintop, West Virginia
7/14 | Charlottesville Pavilion, Charlottesville, VA
7/16 | Tower City Amph, Cleveland
7/17 | Promowest Pavilion, Columbus, OH
7/19 | Aragon Ballroom, Chicago
7/20 | 10,000 Lakes Festival, Detroit Lakes, MN
7/21 | Stir Cove at Harrah's Casino, Council Bluffs, IA
7/24 | Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, CO
7/25 | Paolo Soleri Amphitheatre, Santa Fe, NM
7/27 | Humphrey's Concerts by the Bay, San Diego
7/28 | Greek Theatre, Los Angeles

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Mar 29, 2007 3:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

I'll be at these three shows, anyone want to join me?


7/09 | Summerstage, Central Park, New York City
7/10 | Bank of America Pavilion, Boston
7/11 | Lincoln Park, Lincoln, RI

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 29, 2007 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

Want to? Absolutely!
Can I? Absolutely not!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 29, 2007 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

Yet more Ratdog shows without St. Louis included in the tour schedule.

Bob don't like me and JodyC no more.

Waa.

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 29, 2007 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

or it may be 'that big ole' rounder still has his folding bed, customized with a ramhorn headboard'

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 29, 2007 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

We'll have to find another show to meet at!

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 29, 2007 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

One of these days.

Do you go to Schwagstock?

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 29, 2007 8:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

Haven't yet. Feel a bit old for fests. You?

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 29, 2007 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

Actually, so do I. Feel a bit old for fests, that is. But my wife and the kids love going to it, so I endure the thing once a year or so. Some of it is great fun. Some of it I dread.

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 30, 2007 6:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

Have you done the Shwagstocks before? They look fun.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 30, 2007 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

We've been to a few of them. There is definitely fun to be had. But like the two of us both said, we're getting a little long in the tooth to deal with it as we might have been able in our more youthful days.

The main thing for me is the music, and that really doesn't refer to The Schwag because I'm not particularly crazy about them. Grateful Dead cover bands really don't do anything for me. What they do present, though, is a very impressive lineup of support acts, and they're what really get me charged up. I've seen Vince Welnick, JGB w/Melvin Seals, Gregg's son, Devon Allman (Wow! This guy is incredible!), Spooky Daily Pride (strange, fun, and funky-relentless high-energy jamming), and a really good Pink Floyd tribute band, the name of which escapes me. Dead cover bands do nothing for me because I'm so personally and emotionally invested in their music that I don't feel anybody who wasn't actually playin' in the band can do it justice, but I had no problem with the Floyd act.

To their credit, The Schwag have a decent light show, if that counts for anything. The quality of their jams and sound in general depends greatly on who's playing lead guitar, but they seem to have one of those revolving door situations for that position. It's basically Jimmy Tebeau's band. He's the bass player, and there's no question that he's a good musician, but he's a terrible singer. He has no problem finding the notes, but the timbre of his voice is just raunchy and unpleasant to my ear. Plus he has this irritating habit of milking the generally young crowd with dumb ad-libs during the songs, usually referring to being there in Salem, Missouri. For example, during Standing On the Moon, instead of saying "somewhere in San Francisco," he'll say "somewhere in SALEM, MISSOURI!" And all the tie-dyed little neo-Heads squeal with delight, while I quietly groan to myself. Not to mention the fact that Salem is about an hour's drive from the site, making it sound just that much more stupid to me. What can you say? It's called Schwag"stock." A cheesy element is implied just by the name.

And there's really not much chance of getting any decent sleep through the weekend. It's hard to get good shut-eye while camping under the best of conditions, but with thousands of dosed and drunk freaks hooting and hollering all night, you can pretty much kiss those rapid eye movements good-bye.

What's good about it? Well, beyond the higher-caliber music there, it's a large piece of land in beautiful surroundings. There's a nice creek that runs through the middle of the place, which comes in handy when you need to cool off from the summer heat. If you like drum circles, after the band finishes playing they have a huge one every night around an enormous bonfire. The shakedown is well-stocked with lots of booths selling great hippie garb, rain sticks, drums, and other cool noisemakers, paraphernalia, and food, with some of it actually being more than simply edible, tasting surprisingly good, but that certainly doesn't hold true for every munchie vendor-generally the longer the line for food, the better the quality of the product.

All in all, it's a really good party and a generally positive vibe, but it is a test of one's endurance, particularly for farts in their advancing years such as myself. And just like any event of a similar nature, along with plenty of good, friendly, polite, helpful folks, there's no shortage of card-carrying dipshits, but that goes with the territory. My wife has already started to hint at needing a schwag fix, so I don't doubt that we'll make the 4-5 hour drive over there at some point this summer. Let me know if you decide you want to check it out, Jody, and we'll see if we can hook up.

BryanE

http://www.campzoe.com/schwagstock33.html

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Poster: juicebh Date: Sep 3, 2007 11:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

I've got to say, you're probably right. I'm not going to try explaining myself because i'm one of the so called 'neoheads' your refer to. i don't wear tie dye, never really considered myself a hippie, but i've been to schwagstock 10 times, over the course of about 5 years. I didn't really go for the music until about two years ago. You're right, jimmy's voice isn't perfect, but i've yet to hear someone who can compare to garcia or weir. i've never seen garcia, but listened to a good percentage of shows. I've seen weir once. his voice isn't really what it used to be. As of last night, i've decided that the guitarist of the schwag has a unique voice, as well as being an excellent guitar player. Jimmy isn't just a bassist of some band. he's been honored by the st louis chamber of commerce, he's a businessman, and he's created something great that all of us can relate to. I think for what he's done and the way that he makes it personal for all of us is a good thing. They might not be the best band, but i love sitting through their sets, or even just listening to it from the campsite.
The creek is the best part in my opinion. I walk upstream every day to cool down, jump off some rocks, and sit in the sun. You fail to mention its spring fed and crystal clear.
I used to drive 5 hours, and now that i live in chicago, I do about a 9 hour drive. Its a good experience, with decent, if not good bands.
anyway, it's not just some shitty cover band, its some people trying to bring everyone an experience that doesn't exist anymore. I think it should be looked into for one's self.
p.s. i believe you were referring to think floyd. they are fucking excellent. i saw them and zoso, led zepplin cover last summer. they're both good.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Sep 4, 2007 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

juicebh,

Always interesting to get a reply to a post that's as old as that one is. Necessitates having to back track and figure out what my frame of mind was at that point.

There's a tone in your reply that is, for lack of a better word, defensive, and I mean that only literally, not accusingly. You obviously speak from the perspective of one of the thousands who have been going to Schwagstock for years and getting from it a great amount of joy and cherished memories. If you detected a tone of derisiveness in what I was saying to JodyC, I won't begin to deny it, but I do apologize for getting under your skin with it. The "neohippie" designation was apparently something you especially took issue with. I can certainly understand that and regret any insensitivity that was expresed in that comment.

My own perspective was formed from at least a couple of different angles. As I mentioned, Dead cover bands do nothing for me. At the very best, their presentations can only hope to pale in comparison with what they try to emulate. What The Grateful Dead gave us had such a deep impact on our psyches and our souls, and the fact that sites such as this one thrive a dozen years after Jerry passed away is but one example of what we meant when we would sing the words "Our love will not fade away" back at them at countless shows through the '80's and into the '90's. The Dead were a bona fide force of nature, simply amazing on so many different levels, and that is a big reason why, quite frankly, bands like The Schwag and Dark Star Orchestra just irritate me. These guys have the chops as musicians---I've heard The Schwag pull off some jams that definitely affirm they are capable of something pretty solid---yet they choose to make a career out of doing something that has not merely "already been done," but I, for one, believe they're getting showered with a fair amount of adulation that they're not earning. It's ONLY The Schwag, or it is ONLY Dark Star Orchestra (I continue mentioning them because they are the ones getting the big mileage out of being a Dead tribute), and they will never come near to achieving the power and the magic of Grateful Dead concerts. Therefore, the "squealing with delight" on the part of Schwagstockers to which I so disparagingly refer is something that I believe it is inescapably unwarranted. We gotta call 'em as we see 'em, and that's what I've seen at Schwagstock and at the only DSO show I saw.

Now, a fair question to ask would be why do I go to Schwagstock if that's the way I feel about it, or why would I have ever gone to see DSO? I can answer that in reverse order. I got tickets to see DSO through the radio station where I was working when they came to St. Louis a few years ago. I made the naive and pretty silly assumption that it was, in fact, a show featuring orchestral versions of Grateful Dead songs, so I was curious, but when it became immediately clear that they're just a cover band, and even though I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, my reaction was, as usual, ho-hum. As far as Schwagstock goes, my wife and daughter and stepkids have a lot of fun at it, so we have tried to make it out there at least once every summer for about three years now.

That other angle which has shaped my negative perspective on Schwagstock comes from what can only be described as a personal axe I have to grind concerning none other Jimmy Tebeau himself. I was working at that same radio station during the summer that "The Dead"* played the amphitheater over on the west side of St. Louis. We had been to our first Schwagstock not long before, had a good time, and were looking forward to another one in the weeks to come. We had a once-monthly Grateful Dead show that we aired on the station, and when I saw Jimmy near the Shakedown at the concert, I came up with the idea of approaching him for an interview for the next "Dead Air" segment. He was receptive to it, and we set it up for him to call me during the radio show. I presented the possibility, if only for his consideration, that in exchange for the air time, he would trade a couple of admission passes for the upcoming Schwag at Camp Zoe. His response was, essentially, no response. Okay, well, that's his prerogative. Time for the interview, he calls to talk with me for about 15-20 minutes, a significant chunk of the show, and the Dead Head audience in south-central Illinois that was listening heard about all things Schwag. But again, before I put him on the air, I asked if he would be able to hold on after the interview to talk about the possibility of arranging for two Schwagstock passes for my wife and me. His response was non-committal all the way around. And sure enough, while I was thanking him on the air for what amounted to my giving him about $150.00 worth of free Schwagstock advertising directed right at a decidedly target audience, only a couple of days before the fest, no less, he hung up on me. Granted, he never agreed to comp us into the gig, but it was incumbent upon him to tell me up front that he was not interested in doing it. When we went down to Missouri that weekend, just on the outside chance that he might have arranged with the gate people for us to get in, we asked if our name might be on the list. Nope. With the thousands that go to those gigs, it would not have broken him to cough up two measly passes, and he should have done so simply as matter of common courtesy. So my first-hand opinion of the guy is that he's a weasel.

A final note, and I did see this guy at Schwagstock, if you want someone who nails that Jerry sound quite well, both musically and vocally, I recommend Stu Allen from JGB w/Melvin Seals and David Kemper, two guys that were actually Jerry's bandmates. Sounds very close to the man himself and is a much better singer than Tebeau.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Sep 4, 2007 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Oh, and one other thing---

I put an asterisk next to "The Dead" in my reply and forgot that I just wanted to say, in only my opinion, mind you, that they, along with Ratdog, Phil & Friends, and Mickey's and/or Billy's projects---even the bands Donna Godchaux McKay has teamed up with---are the only fully relevant Grateful Dead cover bands that are out there. I have doubts that there will be another formation of The Dead to take to the road, but if they do, I hope to be there when they come to my neck of the woods. But anything else simply holds no interest for me.

On the other hand, I can only assume that someone such as yourself is going to Schwagstock, not to get some kind of vicarious Grateful Dead concert experience, but rather to enjoy the atmosphere of the fest, have a great time as you always have regardless of who is on stage, and continue with a tradition you and others have found for yourselves to get loose, hang out, and have fun, which is at it should be. And far be it from me to condemn anyone for wanting to do that.

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Poster: jbheth Date: Sep 5, 2007 1:49pm
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I ran across that post when searching around. I didn't mean to quarrel. I agree with you and was really just defending why i go. I dont' have near the amount of history with music as what most here at the archives do. I may just be trying to make up for lost time.
I've never met jimmy, and i'm glad to hear someone's opinion of him. Though we may be the last ones to read this post, I learned something from it, and maybe that will make it worth it.

for some reason, I didn't realize i had an account, and logged into my old one.. i'm a blockhead. so this is me.. (juicebh)

okay, i didn't realize i already had an account, and logged into my old one.. i'm a blockhead. but yes, this is juicebh

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Poster: JodyC Date: Mar 30, 2007 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

Wow, thanks for the summary. Since salem is only an hour or so, I could conceivably go for the day. I'll keep you posted.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 29, 2007 1:53pm
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Keller Williams like the real estate company?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/fred_keller/1_index.html

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 29, 2007 4:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Ratdog and Keller Williams tour

I'll get my dyes and rathair brushs tune'd up

Cool

http://www.archive.org/details/kw2004-07-22

http://www.archive.org/details/rd2001-12-28.dsbd.unknown.16069.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Mar 29, 2007 3:36pm
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c u at da greek

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 29, 2007 3:51pm
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not a big fan of ratdog but if you get shut out at the greek in LA try Humphries By the bay in san Diego. very intimate place and a wonderful venue.

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Mar 29, 2007 6:22pm
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I lived in Mission Beach for five years, where do you live? That is a sweet venue, rem the summer pops concerts on Mission Bay -- AB, Santana, ZZ...

I was jokin, I can't make it to the Greek, I will be on the East Coast this summer -- Yippy!!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Mar 29, 2007 7:18pm
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I'm in Long beach. Lived in the LA area before that. I saw Hornsby at Humphries. Also saw the sensitive ones at the greek. That's a great place as well.

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Poster: stilldead77 Date: Mar 29, 2007 8:11pm
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The Greek is awesome, saw Weird Neil and Phish there.